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mari4212Back to the ship opinions.
Jack/Sam:
I like this ship. It was fun, and I loved the cute moments they had together as much as or more than some of their more serious moments. They started out in the first season, and I really don't see a romantic relationship then. I can see Sam having a bit of a crush on Jack, because I think he was one of the first superior officers she had to respect all of her and accept her on her terms. And I always saw them as getting closer together, and then realizing that what they were doing was more important, and making an unspoken promise that when it was over, they'd talk and consider giving a relationship a go. And I thought this show handled it well, but I was coming off of Star Trek, so anything looked better than how most of the relationships on Voyager got handled.
As a side note, I was never really active in the Stargate fandom, and I never participated in the discussions. Therefore, I missed a lot of the wank that scares me away from ships in some other shows.
Teyla/Rodney:
I really can never see this as a romantic pairing. They're just too alien to each other to ever really connect in that way. But I do think they'd be great friends, because I do think that they can just accept that the other person will never make a lot of sense to them. I can see McKay relaxing because of Teyla's calmness, and him really respecting her as a person, and I think that Teyla thoroughly enjoys McKay. She knows when to take him seriously, and when to just let his rants wash over her. And she definitely respects his intelligence. I can see them as lifelong friends, the ones who might not talk that often, but who know that the other person would be there at once if needed.
Sheppard/Weir:
I don't understand this ship. I mean, I can see why some people might like it, but I've never recognized my Sheppard and Weir in their stories. When I look at Sheppard, I see someone who has a strong dark side, and who fights every day to keep it under control. So much of what we see of him is a charming mask that he uses to keep people from getting too close. And Sheppard doesn't let Elizabeth under that mask that often. In fact, I can think of only two instances. In the season finale, when he's about to get to the jumpers, he looks at her and lets her know that there is no other choice and no other way. The other time is in Conversion, when he attacks her. Neither one works as a strong place to build a relationship on. And Elizabeth needs someone to be open with her, who can rely on her and need her back, and then back her up one hundred percent if necessary. I don't see them doing that successfully. They'd need someone else in this relationship to temper it, someone who Sheppard felt more comfortable releasing his full self on, and who could send it back at him, and someone who could work with Elizabeth, with all her strengths and frailties.
Now, it's always possible that my reading of the characters is off. It's possible that as Atlantis progresses these two could grow into each other. But right now, I can't see it.
McKay/Weir:
Okay, this is the one I've been waiting for. In case any of you are unaware, this is my home ship. This is the one that struck me on the first episode. Why? Because of McKay's attitude towards Elizabeth. I'd seen Rodney in Stargate, and I'd seen the way he treated people. He's arrogant, condescending, and rude. He doesn't want to be hurt, and so he tries to drive everyone else off. But he never does that with Elizabeth. Even when he's stressed out and yelling, he stops when he's talking to Elizabeth. He respects her and supports her. There is no one else that he shows anything approaching that kind of respect towards, and it really shows. He defers to her, he respects her, and he tries to comfort her when she's stressed. But the thing that cemented this ship to me, beyond any doubt, was in "The Eye", when Rodney stepped in front of a gun for her. To someone like Rodney, who was scared out of his wits, who hates danger, and who is not exactly self-sacrificing, that gesture means a lot. He loves her.
To be honest, it took me longer to figure out if Elizabeth loved Rodney back. For all of his defensiveness, Rodney is very open. Elizabeth is calmer, and a bit harder to read. But then I look at "Home", and how Elizabeth said she didn't think Sheppard would agree to a change of command without consulting her, but that she knew that Rodney would not be tamely agreeing with this. I look at "Before I Sleep", and how grief stricken Old-Elizabeth was when she's describing how Rodney died. She spent the longest on him, and was absolutely determined that they be aware of how hard he tried, how much he did. And then there are the little moments when they are together, and they just click for me. It works.
Kate/Gibbs:
This one didn't really grab me. I can see it, because I do think that Kate had a crush on Gibbs, and she certainly wanted his respect and approval. But the vibes I got off of them were very much mentor/student. Gibbs saw potential in her, and wanted to make that work. And Kate blossomed at NCIS, and she regarded Gibbs as the one who had brought her to a place where she could really be happy.
Janeway/Q:
These two had some fun bouncing off of each other, and there's no question that Q did feel something for Kathryn, but I don't see it. For better or for worse, Kathryn Janeway was entirely focused on getting her crew, her family, home. Q was always a distraction. As much as she enjoyed him at times, she'd never be able to open up and relax with him. And Q really liked her because she was a challenge, something that amused him. I think if the challenge was gone, he'd have gotten bored with her, because he had all the attention span of a two-year-old. They'd have fun, but it would inevitably be short.
The Firefly ones will be up in a while, I still need to figure out which one is my least favorite.
Jack/Sam:
I like this ship. It was fun, and I loved the cute moments they had together as much as or more than some of their more serious moments. They started out in the first season, and I really don't see a romantic relationship then. I can see Sam having a bit of a crush on Jack, because I think he was one of the first superior officers she had to respect all of her and accept her on her terms. And I always saw them as getting closer together, and then realizing that what they were doing was more important, and making an unspoken promise that when it was over, they'd talk and consider giving a relationship a go. And I thought this show handled it well, but I was coming off of Star Trek, so anything looked better than how most of the relationships on Voyager got handled.
As a side note, I was never really active in the Stargate fandom, and I never participated in the discussions. Therefore, I missed a lot of the wank that scares me away from ships in some other shows.
Teyla/Rodney:
I really can never see this as a romantic pairing. They're just too alien to each other to ever really connect in that way. But I do think they'd be great friends, because I do think that they can just accept that the other person will never make a lot of sense to them. I can see McKay relaxing because of Teyla's calmness, and him really respecting her as a person, and I think that Teyla thoroughly enjoys McKay. She knows when to take him seriously, and when to just let his rants wash over her. And she definitely respects his intelligence. I can see them as lifelong friends, the ones who might not talk that often, but who know that the other person would be there at once if needed.
Sheppard/Weir:
I don't understand this ship. I mean, I can see why some people might like it, but I've never recognized my Sheppard and Weir in their stories. When I look at Sheppard, I see someone who has a strong dark side, and who fights every day to keep it under control. So much of what we see of him is a charming mask that he uses to keep people from getting too close. And Sheppard doesn't let Elizabeth under that mask that often. In fact, I can think of only two instances. In the season finale, when he's about to get to the jumpers, he looks at her and lets her know that there is no other choice and no other way. The other time is in Conversion, when he attacks her. Neither one works as a strong place to build a relationship on. And Elizabeth needs someone to be open with her, who can rely on her and need her back, and then back her up one hundred percent if necessary. I don't see them doing that successfully. They'd need someone else in this relationship to temper it, someone who Sheppard felt more comfortable releasing his full self on, and who could send it back at him, and someone who could work with Elizabeth, with all her strengths and frailties.
Now, it's always possible that my reading of the characters is off. It's possible that as Atlantis progresses these two could grow into each other. But right now, I can't see it.
McKay/Weir:
Okay, this is the one I've been waiting for. In case any of you are unaware, this is my home ship. This is the one that struck me on the first episode. Why? Because of McKay's attitude towards Elizabeth. I'd seen Rodney in Stargate, and I'd seen the way he treated people. He's arrogant, condescending, and rude. He doesn't want to be hurt, and so he tries to drive everyone else off. But he never does that with Elizabeth. Even when he's stressed out and yelling, he stops when he's talking to Elizabeth. He respects her and supports her. There is no one else that he shows anything approaching that kind of respect towards, and it really shows. He defers to her, he respects her, and he tries to comfort her when she's stressed. But the thing that cemented this ship to me, beyond any doubt, was in "The Eye", when Rodney stepped in front of a gun for her. To someone like Rodney, who was scared out of his wits, who hates danger, and who is not exactly self-sacrificing, that gesture means a lot. He loves her.
To be honest, it took me longer to figure out if Elizabeth loved Rodney back. For all of his defensiveness, Rodney is very open. Elizabeth is calmer, and a bit harder to read. But then I look at "Home", and how Elizabeth said she didn't think Sheppard would agree to a change of command without consulting her, but that she knew that Rodney would not be tamely agreeing with this. I look at "Before I Sleep", and how grief stricken Old-Elizabeth was when she's describing how Rodney died. She spent the longest on him, and was absolutely determined that they be aware of how hard he tried, how much he did. And then there are the little moments when they are together, and they just click for me. It works.
Kate/Gibbs:
This one didn't really grab me. I can see it, because I do think that Kate had a crush on Gibbs, and she certainly wanted his respect and approval. But the vibes I got off of them were very much mentor/student. Gibbs saw potential in her, and wanted to make that work. And Kate blossomed at NCIS, and she regarded Gibbs as the one who had brought her to a place where she could really be happy.
Janeway/Q:
These two had some fun bouncing off of each other, and there's no question that Q did feel something for Kathryn, but I don't see it. For better or for worse, Kathryn Janeway was entirely focused on getting her crew, her family, home. Q was always a distraction. As much as she enjoyed him at times, she'd never be able to open up and relax with him. And Q really liked her because she was a challenge, something that amused him. I think if the challenge was gone, he'd have gotten bored with her, because he had all the attention span of a two-year-old. They'd have fun, but it would inevitably be short.
The Firefly ones will be up in a while, I still need to figure out which one is my least favorite.
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Date: 2005-12-27 05:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-12-27 06:42 pm (UTC)No comment on the Q/Picard thing. I was too young when I saw those to even really think of that.
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Date: 2005-12-27 06:48 pm (UTC)I grew up watching TNG in syndication and loved Q and his banter with Picard, and I rewatched the series a couple summers ago and Q is flirtatious like whoa and I love it.
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Date: 2005-12-27 09:51 pm (UTC)Q does flirt with Picard, but I don't think Picard ever sees it himself.
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Date: 2005-12-27 06:28 pm (UTC)The movie definately shortchanged the relationships. I mean, you get that Kaylee's got a crush on Simon, but really not much more than that. And since I hadn't seen the show before the movie, I had no clue that Mal/Inara was a real thing, anyway. It seemed kind of one-sided - he had a thing for her, but she didn't seem to care about him. And I didn't care much when Wash died, but OMGWTF now...I loved Wash and Zoe.
My favorite ship is Kaylee/Simon...just cause Kaylee is so danged cute. It's so boring, though! :)
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Date: 2005-12-27 06:43 pm (UTC)My River/Jayne interest is far more of the dark ambiguous consent variety (River wanting sex and going after Jayne, and him being terrified of being found out and also of hurting her -- because he really is a good guy under all that bluster).
Mal/anyone is difficult because he's so emotionally closed off, so reluctant to make himself vulnerable. (And yeah, that's a good point that in the movie Mal/Inara feels very one-sided.)
Kaylee's too happy perky etc. for me to be all that interested in her, and I find Kaylee/Simon problematic because they come from such different worlds that it feels much like a doomed relationship, and I'm not sure how capable they are of working out their differences.
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Date: 2005-12-27 06:51 pm (UTC)I think the show is big on opposites attracting...I mean, look at Zoe and Wash...they're so different, but they were so in love and perfect for each other. I think the same would happen with Kaylee and Simon - they're attracted to each other, so they'd probably make it work. And Jayne and River are so different too - so that could be good for their relationship :).
Aw, I love Kaylee. But that could be because I just love Jewel Staite - she was my favorite actor on Space Cases, and I was sad when she left.
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Date: 2005-12-27 10:16 pm (UTC)Having said that, there is a tad bit of satisfaction from the stories when she decides to go after him and scares him half to death by chasing him.
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Date: 2005-12-27 10:30 pm (UTC)*ahem* Summarize, then.
Jack/Sam
Canon, yay! Fanon, boo!
Teyla/Rodney
BFF 4-evah!
Sheppard/Weir
BOO! HISS! Go you for nailing it!
McKay/Weir
He worships her! Yes! They so belong together!
...but I never read it in fanon...Janeway/Q *the one I was about to start when it screwed up...*
*blinks* This was even an option? Okay, my viewing of Voyager was screwy in the mid-later seasons but...they was minor chemistry?! WTF?
*shakes head* Weird, weird, weird...
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Date: 2005-12-27 10:55 pm (UTC)Agrees completely
*giggles* They're fun, but probably hard to write talking together.
I just cannot see them together functionally. There have been no fiction written with the two of them together that has made me think they'd work well without changing one or the other's personality.
They do. *subliminally points out ff.net and Commodore Norrington, who I beta for and who is wonderful, and has written one good McKay/Weir backstory and we are working on others.*
People look at "The Q and the Grey", and a later episode where Q sends his son to her. He does flirt with her a lot. Me, I'm old fashioned, I loved J/C before it got torn appart by the producers.
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Date: 2005-12-27 11:03 pm (UTC)*nods* Yes. J/C rule. *curses the idiots who tried to make it C/7. 7 belongs with the Doctor, dammit!*
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Date: 2005-12-28 12:03 am (UTC)*nods frantically* Janeway needed to be with Chakotay. They worked together. Chakotay and Seven don't. *subtly starts plugging the Christie Golden books* Christie Golden is writing out the novel sequel to Voyager, and she's got it back to the way it belongs. Seven and the Doctor are together on a think tank and having lots of fun together, and Janeway and Chakotay are flirting mildly, and Chakotay has command of Voyager. It solves all the problems of Endgame.
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